[lug] February 14th talk?

D. Stimits stimits at idcomm.com
Wed Jan 23 09:47:13 MST 2002

Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >>>>> "D" == D Stimits <stimits at idcomm.com> writes:
> D> Sean Reifschneider wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:01:59AM -0700, Chris Riddoch wrote:
> >> >A particularly good speaker for this would be someone who's at
> >> least >familiar with the usages and nitty-gritty differences
> >> between the >tools, and it'd be great if it could cover a range of
> >> things - .deb,
> >>
> >> It might be hard to find that.  An option would be to have a panel
> >> similar to the database one we did a while back.  I'd be willing to
> >> talk about RPMs.
> D> If rpm by itself is not enough, I'd be interested also in
> D> experiences in packaging of a distribution based on
> D> another...basically the things that have to be done to create KRUD
> D> would make for a nice addition to rpm packaging if there isn't
> D> enough material for just rpm. But I would find it extremely
> well, I would be happy to talk about modifying/customising a RedHat
> based distribution, but there is already a lot to talk about with
> RPM. ;)
> D> beneficial for detailed information and examples of working with
> D> both rpm and debian packages. I can imagine a non-developer saying
> D> "boring", but I personally struggle with packaging issues while
> D> trying to write free software. To me, tar is my friend, it's so
> D> *simple*. Yet, distributing to non-developer types, they get
> D> frustrated with tar. A suggestion of extra topic material, if
> D> nobody can do detailed information on packaging for debian or other
> D> means, might be a tool survey for packages, or even information on
> D> installing required tools to work as a packager of different
> D> distributions from inside of one alien distributions (by this I
> D> mean, e.g., packaging .deb's from RH, or packaging SuSE or Mandrake
> D> .rpm's from RH...how to install the tools and what is done
> D> differently when "cross-packaging").
> yeah, alien or the like...
> I would also be happy to talk about rpms...
> rpms have some nice features for distributers, in particular I am
> thinking of where you can put a .spec file in the top dir of your
> tar.gz and have 'rpm -ta' build an rpm from the tar.gz.

I'm learning something already :)

More food for thought on packaging: If I were to spend some of my idle
unemployment time making a package tool, it would be a moduler OO
design, with "plugins" for various file formats to output. I would be
interested in knowing if the various package speakers see a common theme
of describing input packages, the purpose being something like an
abstract package description language that could be used in an OO
program to produce *any* output format. As far as I know, there is no
such thing as a language which is designed to express dependencies of
packaging, I would find it interesting (again, this means I'm a bit
strange) to know what various packagers would consider a requirement of
an OO packaging language.

D. Stimits, stimits at idcomm.com

> D> D. Stimits, stimits at idcomm.com
> kevin
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