thompsma at colorado.edu
Mon Mar 10 10:57:37 MST 2003
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 10:10, Michael D. Hirsch wrote:
> On Monday 10 March 2003 10:26 am, The Matt wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 07:30, Michael D. Hirsch wrote:
> > > On Friday 07 March 2003 09:25 pm, The Matt wrote:
> > > > And, of course:
> > > >
> > > > apt-get update
> > > > apt-get upgrade
> > > > &c.
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, I can't stand Redhat without APT. Especially if you play
> > > > around in Rawhide. It is dependency hell in Rawhide and only apt
> > > > makes it sane.
> > >
> > > Have you been able to apt-get KDE 3.1, yet? I keep getting unresolved
> > > dependencies. (I don't to rawhide, just the standard 8.0 releases).
> > As far as I know, you can't. I kept trying and gave up (there could be
> > an APT source out there that can do it?). I then added Rawhide to my
> > sources and apt exploded with 2 pages of dependencies. The reason is
> > that rpm is upgraded, and so breaks apt, and I have Gnome as well. But,
> > I think it will upgrade with Rawhide.
> I've been trying with the KDE-RedHat project on sourceforge
> <http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/>. They put their rpms out on an apt
> server and they are supposed to be for RH 8.0. I've just not been able to
> get them to install.
Never heard of them. I'll have to check them out.
> > If you want to try KDE 3.1 and stay with Red Hat, I suggest Phoebe3--the
> > 8.0.94 beta--and the Phoebe APT. Frankly, I like it MUCH better. The
> > menus are now comprehendible by humanity, and I haven't noticed any
> > instability. But, I don't run any servers, &c. on my home box and
> > there could be nasty bugs there, so YMMV.
> What is Phoebe? I haven't heard of it.
Phoebe is the latest beta from Red Hat, the third revision has been out
for a bit. It has Gnome 2.2 and KDE 3.1 (both not perfect, but usable).
Frankly, though, you might as well wait for 8.1 which should be coming
out VERY soon. I'm basing this on the freeze at Red Hat (Rawhide froze
about 2 weeks ago). Reading the Phoebe-list, Havoc and the rest have
gotten very closed-mouthed. I'm thinking a lot is to do with XFree86
4.3, but there really isn't any word.
Heck, no one (official) has even said what's going on with Rawhide
freezing. Some speculate it was a weird sync error that evolved into a
freeze due to 8.1's eventual entry. It would be nice to hear about it,
though. ftp.redhat.com seems to be taking a pounding right now, as many
people see "old" mirrors and don't realize ftp.redhat.com is just as
"And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony, anyway? I mean,
all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good
and crazy, ooh ooh ooh, the sky's the limit!" -- The Tick
The Matt -- http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~thompsma/
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