[lug] Getting mail out of the Qwest/MSN mire

Sean Reifschneider jafo at tummy.com
Sat Jul 8 21:52:10 MDT 2006

On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 11:05:28AM -0600, Bear Giles wrote:
>I was reading a summary of spam solutions a few days ago, including 
>protocols, and one of them was using a 'pull' model instead of a 'push' 
>model. You would still send announcements, but the message itself would 
>reside on the sender's box.

That sounds suspiciously like DJB's Internet Mail 2000 proposal:


It's an interesting idea, but entirely moot.  We can't get people to switch
to using signed e-mail, how are we going to get people to switch to
entirely new protocols?  sendmail, postfix, exim, MS, Stalker, Hotmail,
gmail, Eudora, mutt, pine, there are thousands of people who would have to
make huge changes to make it happen.

We're likely to switch to IPv6 before we switch to another e-mail protocol.
It's that bad.  ;-/

It's also not clear how something like this would help the spam situation.
When this proposal was written, the spam landscape was very different.  For
example, how does this proposal help in a world where a million PCs are
taken over by spammers for their own use?

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