[lug] FSF plans Apple Genuis Bar "denial of service"

Jason Vallery jason at vallery.net
Mon Jul 28 11:49:15 MDT 2008

Not to post a "me too", but I also agree with Nate.  I'm a died in the
wool Apple convert for everything on the desktop and personal side of
computing.  Apple takes care of their customers, more so than any
company I've ever had to deal with.  I have complete confidence that
solving my problems is the top priority of the genius bar.  Every time
I've had to deal with them their employees have been absolute
professionals.  They never second guess me and always go above and
beyond the contractual warranty.  In example I had a battery for a
laptop that was out of warranty and started acting up.  They replaced
it free of charge without hesitation.

Neither Apple or their employees should  be the target of this
anti-DRM hatred.  The content providers are solely to blame.  Where
possible iTunes offers content without DRM.  As far as DRM and control
of application distribution for iPhone, Apple has made it very clear
why they are doing this.  Their primary objective is to ensure a
quality user experience.  They don't want malware or bloatware hogging
up the phone resources.   They also have contractual commitments with
their carriers (AT&T) that prevent certain uses of their network.
Apple is legally obligated to ensure that those contractual agreements
are enforced.  If you don't like it, go buy an OpenMoko.  For me, the
iPhone is really a killer device, and a real joy to develop for.  In
addition, distribution via iTunes eliminates all the overhead for
independent software developers and provides them a way to easily
monetize their work.  I expect that this central distribution model
will actually encourage more development for the iPhone, not hinder


On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Zan Lynx <zlynx at acm.org> wrote:
> Jason Schaefer wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 27, 2008, at 10:54 PM, David L. Anselmi wrote:
>>>> and rather than assume the media labels are correct, read the original
>>>> idea as well as the "5 reasons" page that started it:
>>>> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge
>>> By the way, I did read it.  And the title of the article that spawned this
>>> little "movement" was called "5 Reasons to Avoid the iPhone".
>>> So avoid it.  Don't buy it.  Stay out of the store.  Go away.  Done!
> [cut]
>> Nate - you are legitimately sounding like a crazed loon. 90% of what
>> you say is not even justified by a response. I hate to tell you this
>> way but this is a LUG mailing list, your posts are getting a little
>> agro and the appropriate place to post this would be on your blog.
> [cut]
> I agree with Nate here.  If you don't like DRM then don't buy it.  Don't
> go into Apple stores and annoy people.  The ones planning that are the
> crazed loons.
> The following has nothing to do with Nate, it is all me:
> Protesters who get in my way don't get my attention for "the cause",
> they get my hate for their cause.  They can protest as much as they
> want, just stay *out of the way!*
> If they're out there blocking traffic it just makes me want to get a
> monster truck, put it in low gear, get out and let it grind onward.  If
> they can't clear the road in 2 minutes to get out of the way of an "out
> of control truck" they deserve to get crushed.
> Likewise for sit-ins and other stupidity.  I just want to get out the
> hobnailed boots and walk in, on and over them.
> And if I needed a Genius Bar, by the third geek to take up a slot with
> his stupid DBD questionnaire, I'd be taking his questionnaire and
> ripping it into tiny little shreds.
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