[lug] Pushing Back Against Gnome CSD/Headerbars

Internet Privacy Advocate geobodley at aol.com
Sun Jan 28 17:27:23 MST 2018

I know that when I first moved over to WinDOS from Mac before Linux was really very well developed. I found the WinDOS double menu system to be clumsy.  As for the present day Linux with the Maté desktop, I don't think there is much of an issue.  The primary system menu is a button on one or more taskbars and the application menus are on the application's main window.  I think I get confused from time to time with GIMP where sometimes the menus and "floating windows" that you see are actually relating to image windows that you are not actually working on.   That's because a single application has multiple floating windows that open up for various tasks.  But as far as 
Gnome is concerned, they just need to keep it simple

This relates to rental cars to a certain extent.  You can rent a car, and not know how to honk the horn or turn on the lights because the manufacture has place the controls in a weird location.  I think I had a Ford where the horn was activated by pushing the turn signal lever in.  On my Subaru, I had to go to the dealer to find out how to activate the windshield washer.  I actually thought it was broken.  Most recently I had go to the dealer to find out how to pair the Bluetooth to the radio on a Hond HR-V.  The first mechanic who helped me didn't know how to do it either and had to call a second guy who had his own problems.  He stated that the "low end model radios" had a poor layout.  Of course one of the worst and most confusing layouts is Windo$ 10 which has a propensity to self destruct.  Frankly I find it extremely unfriendly to the point of being worthless.




-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Kawalko <s.kawalko at ieee.org>
To: Internet Privacy Advocate <geobodley at aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 28, 2018 1:18 pm
Subject: Re: [lug] Pushing Back Against Gnome CSD/Headerbars

Yes, the Mac interface has a single menubar and that menu bar changes as the frontmost application changes. I’ve been using a Mac almost since they were introduced. So, I’m not really in the position to know whether the single menubar is confusing to novice users. I personally find that having a single menubar is more usable than having a menubar in every application window because that menu is in a consistent location on the screeen regardless of the application and the number of windows open.

Stephen Kawalko
s.kawalko at ieee.org

On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Internet Privacy Advocate <geobodley at aol.com> wrote:

I haven't used a Mac for a long time, but I think that's the way it used to work.  The system taskbar changed with the specific application.  It is more space efficient while at the same time being more confusing to the novice user, because you are always wonder what happened to the menus, particularly those related to the system itself which disappear after an app is launched.  A an aside, the feature I most desire presently is high quality TTS within Libreoffice, but I don't seem to make much headway raising my concern about that.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jed S. Baer <blug at jbaer.cotse.net>
To: lug <lug at lug.boulder.co.us>
Sent: Sun, Jan 28, 2018 9:06 am
Subject: [lug] Pushing Back Against Gnome CSD/Headerbars

Hmmph. Just read the Slashdot discussion regarding the Gnome CSDinitiative.https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/CSDhttps://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/01/27/2245240/should-apps-replace-title-bars-with-header-barsAnd my initial reaction is to agree with all the negative remarks inthe /. discussion, if not in tone, then certainly in substance. Inessence, I'm asking, "What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is a goin' onhere?"As an end user, I'm not privy to whatever discussions proceed deep in thebowels of the Gnome/GTK developer community. And, really, I don't think Ishould have to be. But, I also suspect that since I don't agree withwhat appears to be the end result, I wouldn't support whatever argumentsare being used to justify it anyway.Does anyone here know why it is the Gnome people feel the need to foistthis upon us? Is there some good reason why window management functionssomehow now need to be managed by applications? I seriously don't get it._______________________________________________Web Page:  http://lug.boulder.co.usMailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lugJoin us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety

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