[lug] (Virtual) BLUG is ON! Thursday April 9th, 2020 @ 6:30PM (MDT!)

Davide Del Vento davide.del.vento at gmail.com
Thu Apr 16 09:36:12 MDT 2020

Hi Rob,

Yes, you raise good points.

But mine was simply to respond to Maxwell request to report something that
works (just fine and out of the box) in Linux, while it does not in a Mac
(I have no idea in Windows).


On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:00 AM Rob Nagler <nagler at bivio.biz> wrote:

> A vim user writes:
> >  by the time I have the answer, it'll be much slower than just pushing
> the arrow and wait its snail speed to the end of the line.
> While I agree that it would be nice for fully controllable shortcuts, I
> have to speak about this, because this goes back to modal vs modeless
> editing, which was part of the editor wars of the 80s.
> It is much easier to design a modeless shortcut system, which is why I can
> type control-E to go to the end of the line in gmail, emacs, browsers,
> bash, etc. on my Mac and Linux. In fact, I'm often surprised when a tool
> doesn't understand control-E in a text box, e.g. Word or Photoshop.
> I know vi is very popular. I used it for many years, alternating with
> emacs, until I realized that emacs was just better (for me :). It was a
> lucky choice, because emacs keys are the default for most tools I use today
> so I have to spend no time customizing. I'm also fortunate to not have to
> use Windows much, where my muscle memory is useless.
> Here's pro-modeless Larry Tesler's take on it, which I found quite
> informed, and doesn't mention emacs or vi:
> http://worrydream.com/refs/Tesler%20-%20A%20Personal%20History%20of%20Modeless%20Text%20Editing%20and%20Cut-Copy-Paste.pdf
> For those of you haven't read them, here's one of the many papers from the
> 80s on modal (moded) vs modeless editing, which studies emacs and vi:
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/800045.801603
> Rob
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