From kevin at scrye.com Mon Feb 22 17:19:41 2021 From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:19:41 -0800 Subject: [lug] slides and links from CentOS Stream talk Message-ID: <20210223001941.uhnazgbflgnnkrcg@mandor.scrye.com> Sorry it's taken so long to get this out, but here's a link to my slides from the CentOS stream talk last week: https://scrye.com/nextcloud/index.php/s/xDQ4bCAf4XtJp6J (Thats a libreoffice impress file, happy to export it if someone needs another format for it). And links: The wikipedia page that has the link to the big graph of Red Hat derivatives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux_derivatives CentOS stream FAQ: https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/CentOSStream Info about Red Hat developer program: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-programs-easier-ways-access-rhel and https://developers.redhat.com/ and https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/02/10/how-to-activate-your-no-cost-red-hat-enterprise-linux-subscription/ CentOS blog with a number of interesting articles: https://blog.centos.org/ And finally a blog from today that I thought covered things well: https://medium.com/swlh/centos-stream-why-its-awesome-5c45d944fb22 Hope some of that is of interest... kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 7:03 PM John Hernandez wrote: > Hi LUGers > I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T510 to give away, free to a Linux-loving home. > Charger included. > > It has seen some miles, but everything works fine. > Intel Core i7 M620 > 8GB RAM > 256G SSD > DVD drive (Bonus!) > fresh Debian 10 install > > The power input jack is a bit um... jacked, but it charges ok. > I have no clue how long the battery holds a charge, but it's at least 60 > seconds! > Any takers? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bclarkinco at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 22:08:41 2021 From: bclarkinco at gmail.com (Brian Clark) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 22:08:41 -0700 Subject: [lug] Lenovo ThankPad T510 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll take this if still available. Thanks - Brian Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 7:03 PM John Hernandez wrote: > Hi LUGers > I have a Lenovo ThinkPad T510 to give away, free to a Linux-loving home. > Charger included. > > It has seen some miles, but everything works fine. > Intel Core i7 M620 > 8GB RAM > 256G SSD > DVD drive (Bonus!) > fresh Debian 10 install > > The power input jack is a bit um... jacked, but it charges ok. > I have no clue how long the battery holds a charge, but it's at least 60 > seconds! > Any takers? > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlwillson at thegeek.nu Wed Feb 24 10:24:30 2021 From: dlwillson at thegeek.nu (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab Message-ID: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora laptop with 32GiB RAM. I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be easy, but they don't, so it's not. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davide.del.vento at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 10:37:21 2021 From: davide.del.vento at gmail.com (Davide Del Vento) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:37:21 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, contacting them might get you what you want. On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson wrote: > I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora > laptop with 32GiB RAM. > > I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with > Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops > with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is > 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has > 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less > beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. > > So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. If > System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be > easy, but they don't, so it's not. > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlwillson at thegeek.nu Wed Feb 24 11:28:44 2021 From: dlwillson at thegeek.nu (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> I have verified with Lenovo twice in chat. They do not have an option that satisfies both requirements. From: "Davide Del Vento" To: "BLUG" Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:37:21 AM Subject: Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, contacting them might get you what you want. On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson < [ mailto:dlwillson at thegeek.nu | dlwillson at thegeek.nu ] > wrote: I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora laptop with 32GiB RAM. I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be easy, but they don't, so it's not. _______________________________________________ Web Page: [ http://lug.boulder.co.us/ | http://lug.boulder.co.us ] Mailing List: [ http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug | http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug ] Join us on IRC: [ http://irc.hackingsociety.org/ | irc.hackingsociety.org ] port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety _______________________________________________ Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davide.del.vento at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 12:33:43 2021 From: davide.del.vento at gmail.com (Davide Del Vento) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:33:43 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: Have you asked if they would sell it to you without memory or with the lowest option available for you to upgrade it on your own? On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:28 AM David L. Willson wrote: > I have verified with Lenovo twice in chat. They do not have an option that > satisfies both requirements. > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Davide Del Vento" > *To: *"BLUG" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:37:21 AM > *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab > > Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, > contacting them might get you what you want. > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson > wrote: > >> I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora >> laptop with 32GiB RAM. >> >> I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with >> Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops >> with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is >> 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has >> 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less >> beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. >> >> So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. If >> System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be >> easy, but they don't, so it's not. >> _______________________________________________ >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > > > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlwillson at thegeek.nu Wed Feb 24 13:16:14 2021 From: dlwillson at thegeek.nu (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <1938891342.2243.1614197774413.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> No, I haven't. That seems like it would nullify the point of buying pre-installed. Call me unimaginative, but I can't imagine that upgrading a machine past Lenovo's max memory config would be a supported configuration. The point of buying a machine with Fedora pre-installed is to get a machine that has been thoroughly tested with, and is supported with, Fedora, so that if something I care about doesn't work, I can ask the seller to make it work. If I buy a machine they sell with 16 GiB and I install 32 GiB, and it doesn't work, and I call them to make it work... Well, I guess they probably won't be able or willing to help me with that. Do you happen to know any sellers that sell a Fedora machine with 32G of memory? From: "Davide Del Vento" To: "BLUG" Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:33:43 PM Subject: Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab Have you asked if they would sell it to you without memory or with the lowest option available for you to upgrade it on your own? On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:28 AM David L. Willson < [ mailto:dlwillson at thegeek.nu | dlwillson at thegeek.nu ] > wrote: I have verified with Lenovo twice in chat. They do not have an option that satisfies both requirements. From: "Davide Del Vento" < [ mailto:davide.del.vento at gmail.com | davide.del.vento at gmail.com ] > To: "BLUG" < [ mailto:lug at lug.boulder.co.us | lug at lug.boulder.co.us ] > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:37:21 AM Subject: Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, contacting them might get you what you want. On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson < [ mailto:dlwillson at thegeek.nu | dlwillson at thegeek.nu ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora laptop with 32GiB RAM. I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be easy, but they don't, so it's not. _______________________________________________ Web Page: [ http://lug.boulder.co.us/ | http://lug.boulder.co.us ] Mailing List: [ http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug | http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug ] Join us on IRC: [ http://irc.hackingsociety.org/ | irc.hackingsociety.org ] port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety _______________________________________________ Web Page: [ http://lug.boulder.co.us/ | http://lug.boulder.co.us ] Mailing List: [ http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug | http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug ] Join us on IRC: [ http://irc.hackingsociety.org/ | irc.hackingsociety.org ] port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety _______________________________________________ Web Page: [ http://lug.boulder.co.us/ | http://lug.boulder.co.us ] Mailing List: [ http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug | http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug ] Join us on IRC: [ http://irc.hackingsociety.org/ | irc.hackingsociety.org ] port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety BQ_END _______________________________________________ Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davide.del.vento at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 14:46:48 2021 From: davide.del.vento at gmail.com (Davide Del Vento) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 14:46:48 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: <1938891342.2243.1614197774413.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <1938891342.2243.1614197774413.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: I see your point, and no I don't know about any seller, besides the usual tiny shops (resellers, not sellers). In fact, I was surprised to learn that Lenovo does! On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 1:16 PM David L. Willson wrote: > No, I haven't. That seems like it would nullify the point of buying > pre-installed. Call me unimaginative, but I can't imagine that upgrading a > machine past Lenovo's max memory config would be a supported configuration. > The point of buying a machine with Fedora pre-installed is to get a machine > that has been thoroughly tested with, and is supported with, Fedora, so > that if something I care about doesn't work, I can ask the seller to make > it work. If I buy a machine they sell with 16 GiB and I install 32 GiB, and > it doesn't work, and I call them to make it work... Well, I guess they > probably won't be able or willing to help me with that. > > Do you happen to know any sellers that sell a Fedora machine with 32G of > memory? > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Davide Del Vento" > *To: *"BLUG" > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:33:43 PM > *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab > > Have you asked if they would sell it to you without memory or with the > lowest option available for you to upgrade it on your own? > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:28 AM David L. Willson > wrote: > >> I have verified with Lenovo twice in chat. They do not have an option >> that satisfies both requirements. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Davide Del Vento" >> *To: *"BLUG" >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:37:21 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab >> >> Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, >> contacting them might get you what you want. >> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson >> wrote: >> >>> I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora >>> laptop with 32GiB RAM. >>> >>> I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with >>> Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops >>> with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is >>> 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has >>> 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less >>> beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. >>> >>> So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. >>> If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be >>> easy, but they don't, so it's not. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us >>> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety >> _______________________________________________ >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > > > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.sullivan at mathcom.com Wed Feb 24 15:05:54 2021 From: steve.sullivan at mathcom.com (Steve Sullivan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:05:54 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <1938891342.2243.1614197774413.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <20210224220554.GA961382@mathcom.com> Why not install your own Fedora on top of whatever ships with the laptop you like? You'll have to do upgrades anyway as time goes on. If the laptop comes with some kind of linux, won't it support nearly any linux? Steve On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 02:46:48PM -0700, Davide Del Vento wrote: > I see your point, and no I don't know about any seller, besides the usual > tiny shops (resellers, not sellers). In fact, I was surprised to learn that > Lenovo does! > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 1:16 PM David L. Willson > wrote: > > > No, I haven't. That seems like it would nullify the point of buying > > pre-installed. Call me unimaginative, but I can't imagine that upgrading a > > machine past Lenovo's max memory config would be a supported configuration. > > The point of buying a machine with Fedora pre-installed is to get a machine > > that has been thoroughly tested with, and is supported with, Fedora, so > > that if something I care about doesn't work, I can ask the seller to make > > it work. If I buy a machine they sell with 16 GiB and I install 32 GiB, and > > it doesn't work, and I call them to make it work... Well, I guess they > > probably won't be able or willing to help me with that. > > > > Do you happen to know any sellers that sell a Fedora machine with 32G of > > memory? > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Davide Del Vento" > > *To: *"BLUG" > > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:33:43 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab > > > > Have you asked if they would sell it to you without memory or with the > > lowest option available for you to upgrade it on your own? > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:28 AM David L. Willson > > wrote: > > > >> I have verified with Lenovo twice in chat. They do not have an option > >> that satisfies both requirements. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Davide Del Vento" > >> *To: *"BLUG" > >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:37:21 AM > >> *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab > >> > >> Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, > >> contacting them might get you what you want. > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora > >>> laptop with 32GiB RAM. > >>> > >>> I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with > >>> Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops > >>> with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is > >>> 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has > >>> 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less > >>> beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. > >>> > >>> So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. > >>> If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be > >>> easy, but they don't, so it's not. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > >>> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > > _______________________________________________ > > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -- ======================================== Steve Sullivan steve.sullivan at mathcom.com 720-587-7498 http://www.mathcom.com ======================================== From zlynx at acm.org Wed Feb 24 16:01:36 2021 From: zlynx at acm.org (Zan Lynx) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 16:01:36 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: <20210224220554.GA961382@mathcom.com> References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <1938891342.2243.1614197774413.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <20210224220554.GA961382@mathcom.com> Message-ID: On 2/24/21 3:05 PM, Steve Sullivan wrote: > Why not install your own Fedora on top of whatever ships with > the laptop you like? You'll have to do upgrades anyway as time goes > on. I have had good luck with the Dell machines that ship with Ubuntu. I've run them with Ubuntu and that was OK. They also run Fedora perfectly well. The last Dell laptop I bought was just the Windows 10 version. It works fine except for the fingerprint reader, and I don't feel as if I am missing much. -- Knowledge is Power -- Power Corrupts Study Hard -- Be Evil From zlynx at acm.org Wed Feb 24 15:57:18 2021 From: zlynx at acm.org (Zan Lynx) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:57:18 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: On 2/24/21 12:33 PM, Davide Del Vento wrote: > Have you asked if they would sell it to you without memory or with the > lowest option available for you to upgrade it on your own? You need to watch out for RAM with Lenovo these days. Maybe on all laptops, I am not sure. On many of them the RAM is soldered onto the motherboard. Then you have the option to double the RAM with a SODIMM stick. So if the base model comes with 8 GB you can add another 8 GB for dual-channel. I guess you could add 16 GB for 24 GB total but you end up with that disgusting "dual channel for 16 GB and single for the rest" behavior. -- Knowledge is Power -- Power Corrupts Study Hard -- Be Evil From dlwillson at thegeek.nu Wed Feb 24 16:44:45 2021 From: dlwillson at thegeek.nu (David L. Willson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 23:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: <20210224220554.GA961382@mathcom.com> References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <344017285.1982.1614191324416.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <1938891342.2243.1614197774413.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> <20210224220554.GA961382@mathcom.com> Message-ID: <835029506.2425.1614210285694.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> So... Yes, DIY is always an option, but this time, money will be spent, and... There's this free-market capitalist notion that I just can't dispel from my mind: One should vote with one's money. That is, when a maker makes something that makes you happy, you should throw money at them. When they don't, you shouldn't. Whenever you spend your money, you are demonstrating approval, more weightily with your money than with your puffs of air or emails. In short, I am careful to buy what I want, and not buy what I don't want, so that I don't accidentally dilute any signal I might be producing in the market. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sullivan" To: "BLUG" Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 3:05:54 PM Subject: Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab Why not install your own Fedora on top of whatever ships with the laptop you like? You'll have to do upgrades anyway as time goes on. If the laptop comes with some kind of linux, won't it support nearly any linux? Steve On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 02:46:48PM -0700, Davide Del Vento wrote: > I see your point, and no I don't know about any seller, besides the usual > tiny shops (resellers, not sellers). In fact, I was surprised to learn that > Lenovo does! > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 1:16 PM David L. Willson > wrote: > > > No, I haven't. That seems like it would nullify the point of buying > > pre-installed. Call me unimaginative, but I can't imagine that upgrading a > > machine past Lenovo's max memory config would be a supported configuration. > > The point of buying a machine with Fedora pre-installed is to get a machine > > that has been thoroughly tested with, and is supported with, Fedora, so > > that if something I care about doesn't work, I can ask the seller to make > > it work. If I buy a machine they sell with 16 GiB and I install 32 GiB, and > > it doesn't work, and I call them to make it work... Well, I guess they > > probably won't be able or willing to help me with that. > > > > Do you happen to know any sellers that sell a Fedora machine with 32G of > > memory? > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Davide Del Vento" > > *To: *"BLUG" > > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 12:33:43 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab > > > > Have you asked if they would sell it to you without memory or with the > > lowest option available for you to upgrade it on your own? > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:28 AM David L. Willson > > wrote: > > > >> I have verified with Lenovo twice in chat. They do not have an option > >> that satisfies both requirements. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From: *"Davide Del Vento" > >> *To: *"BLUG" > >> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:37:21 AM > >> *Subject: *Re: [lug] Fedora on a slab > >> > >> Do they make the hw you need just without Fedora on it or not? If so, > >> contacting them might get you what you want. > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:24 AM David L. Willson > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora > >>> laptop with 32GiB RAM. > >>> > >>> I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops with > >>> Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making laptops > >>> with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the max memory is > >>> 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old System76 Oryx Pro 2 has > >>> 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to buy a new laptop that is less > >>> beefy than my old laptop, at least while my old laptop still works at all. > >>> > >>> So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current laptop. > >>> If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, this would be > >>> easy, but they don't, so it's not. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > >>> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > >> Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > >> Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > > _______________________________________________ > > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety > _______________________________________________ > Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety -- ======================================== Steve Sullivan steve.sullivan at mathcom.com 720-587-7498 http://www.mathcom.com ======================================== _______________________________________________ Web Page: http://lug.boulder.co.us Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 channel=#hackingsociety From lists at maxwellspangler.com Wed Feb 24 18:19:25 2021 From: lists at maxwellspangler.com (Maxwell Spangler) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 18:19:25 -0700 Subject: [lug] Fedora on a slab In-Reply-To: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> References: <488691512.1902.1614187470671.JavaMail.zimbra@thegeek.nu> Message-ID: <24fb984e3d84e1bebb1f139a119efdef25fc05f4.camel@maxwellspangler.com> Thinkpad T15 with 16G soldered onboard and an additional 32G in socket for 48G total? It ships with Ubuntu Linux, so you're on your own for supporting Fedora but since support for hardware is mostly kernel based if it works on Ubuntu you are very likely to get it to work with Fedora. $1473 without any other processor or memory changes. Found it by going to their website, search for laptops, customize by OS, then customize this model. Let us know if that works for you ? On Wed, 2021-02-24 at 17:24 +0000, David L. Willson wrote: > I want your machine seller recommendations. I'm looking for a Fedora > laptop with 32GiB RAM. > > I got all excited when I heard that Lenovo would be making laptops > with Fedora, and even more excited when I saw that they *are* making > laptops with Fedora. But then, I went to buy one and found that the > max memory is 16 GiB. I can't work with that, anymore. My old > System76 Oryx Pro 2 has 32GiB, and I can't think of a good reason to > buy a new laptop that is less beefy than my old laptop, at least > while my old laptop still works at all. > > So, my idea of perfect is exactly one click up from my current > laptop. If System76 shipped with Fedora or even a Fedora-based Pop, > this would be easy, but they don't, so it's not. > _______________________________________________ > Web Page:  http://lug.boulder.co.us > Mailing List: http://lists.lug.boulder.co.us/mailman/listinfo/lug > Join us on IRC: irc.hackingsociety.org port=6667 > channel=#hackingsociety -- Maxwell Spangler =================================================================== Denver, Colorado, USA maxwellspangler.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: